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	<title>Comments on: Coats and Jackets @ Cubic Effect</title>
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	<description>Clothing, skins, and style for the men of Second Life</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Oscar Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few copies of my shape with a smaller head size for hair demos. At least that way I can see the hair on my head correctly and be able to determine if the style fits. I'd love to see a scripted hair demo where you can punch in your head size on a blue window and have the hair resize to fit that head size. At least that way you'll be able to tell if the hair won't fit your head proportionately and as a consumer you get to see if the hair truly will work with your av size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few copies of my shape with a smaller head size for hair demos. At least that way I can see the hair on my head correctly and be able to determine if the style fits. I&#8217;d love to see a scripted hair demo where you can punch in your head size on a blue window and have the hair resize to fit that head size. At least that way you&#8217;ll be able to tell if the hair won&#8217;t fit your head proportionately and as a consumer you get to see if the hair truly will work with your av size.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Darragh</title>
		<link>http://www.second-man.com/coats-and-jackets-cubic-effect.html#comment-48360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool does not even begin to describe what we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool does not even begin to describe what we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for everyone who was wondering: BSG stands for... ummm.... Bitchin' Sexy Garments... cause we aint nerds, we're totally cool and all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for everyone who was wondering: BSG stands for&#8230; ummm&#8230;. Bitchin&#8217; Sexy Garments&#8230; cause we aint nerds, we&#8217;re totally cool and all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Perrry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Perrry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I forgot about the no-mod demo situation. Weird since i always have that problem with hair. (A thick head and a demo that's too small). My body shape is something that I created ( yes, I didn't buy it, I made it) and that is a representation of me. Shure, in RL some people loose weight to fit into a dress or so but still. As you said, I want the clothes to fit me, not me having to fit the clothes.

Oh and Ryan: If you are into BSG, check out a Second Life sim called BSG47. Its got nothing to do  with fashion but trust me, it's definitely worth the time !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I forgot about the no-mod demo situation. Weird since i always have that problem with hair. (A thick head and a demo that&#8217;s too small). My body shape is something that I created ( yes, I didn&#8217;t buy it, I made it) and that is a representation of me. Shure, in RL some people loose weight to fit into a dress or so but still. As you said, I want the clothes to fit me, not me having to fit the clothes.</p>
<p>Oh and Ryan: If you are into BSG, check out a Second Life sim called BSG47. Its got nothing to do  with fashion but trust me, it&#8217;s definitely worth the time !</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Darragh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Frackload"?  Danger, danger, BSG geek alert!  Welcome to the club,  Marcus.  ;)

On the topic of changing your body shape to accommodate a piece of clothing--I'm with Marcus; in general I'm not willing to do this.  A couple of exceptions are dropping foot size to zero for shoes and butt size to zero for skirt-layer jacket extensions or skirt-style prim attachments (say, for a long coat).   Beyond that, I want the clothing to work for me, not me for the clothing.  That isn't to say that I'm unwilling to re-size or re-position prim attachments to fit my avatar, but if I have to rebuild a belt or fuss with a collar for an hour to make it look right, I'm done.  Call me lazy, but there it is.  Prim hair is more than enough trouble for me, thanks very much.

As Marcus suggested in his comment, it isn't just avatar size, it's proportion that presents the challenge to both designers and customers.  If it were a question of avatars being simply larger or smaller, we could size the prim pieces up or down and everything would fit nicely.  It's the different proportions--thicker body, broader shoulders, longer legs--that make things difficult for everyone.

I absolutely agree that demos for complex prim garments are a great idea, although I think it's debatable how useful they can ultimately be--as demos they'll almost certainly be No Mod, so you can't even begin to attempt the fitting that will be necessary on the full garment.  I greatly appreciate how some designers include prim attachments, even moddable ones, in a variety of  sizes (if moddable, you could consider them "starting" sizes).  Of course different sizes that are simply stretched up or down don't begin to address the proportion question, but it can still be very helpful.

We're also seeing prim garments and shoes that are scripted for automatic size changes.  This is way cool, although I haven't seen any that do more than straightforward size-up, size-down.  If anyone has seen a scripted item that has different proportion (not size) settings, let me know--I'll be intensely curious to check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frackload&#8221;?  Danger, danger, BSG geek alert!  Welcome to the club,  Marcus.  <img src='http://www.second-man.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On the topic of changing your body shape to accommodate a piece of clothing&#8211;I&#8217;m with Marcus; in general I&#8217;m not willing to do this.  A couple of exceptions are dropping foot size to zero for shoes and butt size to zero for skirt-layer jacket extensions or skirt-style prim attachments (say, for a long coat).   Beyond that, I want the clothing to work for me, not me for the clothing.  That isn&#8217;t to say that I&#8217;m unwilling to re-size or re-position prim attachments to fit my avatar, but if I have to rebuild a belt or fuss with a collar for an hour to make it look right, I&#8217;m done.  Call me lazy, but there it is.  Prim hair is more than enough trouble for me, thanks very much.</p>
<p>As Marcus suggested in his comment, it isn&#8217;t just avatar size, it&#8217;s proportion that presents the challenge to both designers and customers.  If it were a question of avatars being simply larger or smaller, we could size the prim pieces up or down and everything would fit nicely.  It&#8217;s the different proportions&#8211;thicker body, broader shoulders, longer legs&#8211;that make things difficult for everyone.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that demos for complex prim garments are a great idea, although I think it&#8217;s debatable how useful they can ultimately be&#8211;as demos they&#8217;ll almost certainly be No Mod, so you can&#8217;t even begin to attempt the fitting that will be necessary on the full garment.  I greatly appreciate how some designers include prim attachments, even moddable ones, in a variety of  sizes (if moddable, you could consider them &#8220;starting&#8221; sizes).  Of course different sizes that are simply stretched up or down don&#8217;t begin to address the proportion question, but it can still be very helpful.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re also seeing prim garments and shoes that are scripted for automatic size changes.  This is way cool, although I haven&#8217;t seen any that do more than straightforward size-up, size-down.  If anyone has seen a scripted item that has different proportion (not size) settings, let me know&#8211;I&#8217;ll be intensely curious to check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Perrry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Perrry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Changing your body shape for a piece of clothing ? No way !

That being said, I bought the Long Coat in black and it is absolutely fabulous.  It has a Blade Runner kind of feel to it and looks great when combined with the MODERNO thermal shirt in black and the HK Design Unisex leather pants. In short, I think I look bitchin' hot ! You like coats ? This is a very well priced must-have.

I also bought a full sculptie leather jacket (not the military one covered here) that simply doesnt work for me. I had to resize it to cater to my rather thick body and by the time everything was in place, the jacket didn't look a tenth as good on me as on the pictures. It immediatley went to the "I have it but will most likely never really wear it"-folder
So, everyone who has a "larger" body and is not willing to change their shape for a jacket, be careful.
(A note for the Designer: Even though it is probably a frackload of work, maybe a demo would be a good idea.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing your body shape for a piece of clothing ? No way !</p>
<p>That being said, I bought the Long Coat in black and it is absolutely fabulous.  It has a Blade Runner kind of feel to it and looks great when combined with the MODERNO thermal shirt in black and the HK Design Unisex leather pants. In short, I think I look bitchin&#8217; hot ! You like coats ? This is a very well priced must-have.</p>
<p>I also bought a full sculptie leather jacket (not the military one covered here) that simply doesnt work for me. I had to resize it to cater to my rather thick body and by the time everything was in place, the jacket didn&#8217;t look a tenth as good on me as on the pictures. It immediatley went to the &#8220;I have it but will most likely never really wear it&#8221;-folder<br />
So, everyone who has a &#8220;larger&#8221; body and is not willing to change their shape for a jacket, be careful.<br />
(A note for the Designer: Even though it is probably a frackload of work, maybe a demo would be a good idea.)</p>
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		<title>By: Daman Tenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daman Tenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I love the military jacket. Adding it to my list of wanted items ^^

Hadn't heard of this store before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I love the military jacket. Adding it to my list of wanted items ^^</p>
<p>Hadn&#8217;t heard of this store before.</p>
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